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Did God create man or vice versa?

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This was the idea.

A friend of mine, Joyce Brown, author of NDE-based book "Heavenly Answers
for Earthly Questions" (www.heavenlyanswers.com) is involved in collecting
essays to submit for an essay contest.  So far, she has been having a hard
time finding anyone willing to take on the challenge, and time is running
out for the deadline.  She is hoping to have something in hand by the end of
the week.

They yet need someone to take the side "God Created Man" for the debate
topic: "Did God Create Man or Did Man Create God?"  The audience is erudite
atheistic and will not be interested in quotes from the Bible, or arguments
for faith.  They especially will not appreciate arguments for a particular
religious denomination.  What the contest creator is looking for is a
scientific-based 'proof' that God created man.  The essay is to run about
2,000 to 2,500 words (about six pages).

The contest is described at:
http://www.wisdomsociety.org/projects.htm

Your friend,
Ron

DID GOD CREATE MAN OR DID MAN CREATE GOD?

I am fortunate because I once was an atheist, so I know what they think and why they feel that way, because I remember what I used to think. An atheist doesn't believe in the Bible and they don't accept the idea that God's hand can be seen in nature or in creation. They say that these things came about by chance.

Then why did I became a believer? Simple because I met God once and from that point on I couldn't be an atheist anymore. But now my problem is to help other people believe me. Can I prove I met with God? Perhaps if they trust my word, which is my testimony, that might be possible, but in order for them to believe as I do, they have to have the same experiences. For example, if I say that I saw a good movie, people might trust in my judgment, but to really know for themselves, they have to go to the theater and see the movie for themselves.

To prove a theory you have to test the premise upon which its built. There really is no other way. Since that made sense to me, many years ago I decided to follow that line of reasoning. I heard people say that God answers our prayers, so I decided to put that theory to the test. I not only found out that such a thing is true, but I also found out that anytime I asked the Lord for something I needed, He always answered my prayers. Let me give you a few examples of what I mean.

Many years ago I was on a high mountain in Switzerland. Even though it was in August, it was snowing in the mountains. I was pulling a trailer behind my car and when I was almost at the top of the mountain I found that it was impossible to go on because of the weight of the trailer. More than that, it was very dangerous because the road was slippery and the road was very narrow with no room to maneuver. I had no other choice but to turn back, but I didn't know how to maneuver my car and the trailer without putting myself in jeopardy of going over the cliff. While moving my car in a way that I thought was best, I heard a voice in my mind to tell me to do it a different way. I did as the voice told me and was successfully able to turn around. However, it was only later as I thought about it that I realized if I done it the way I had originally decided to turn around, I probably would have gone over the cliff.

In 1984 I had another wonderful experience in my life. My wife was born with a problem in her back. Although it was nothing terrible, it did cause her to begin to limp. We eventually decided to go see an American chiropractor by the name of Flogrey, who was a member of the church in Italy. After examining her, he said she needed to have surgery in a few months in order to get better. At the same time I felt a prompting from the Spirit to have another baby, but considering the situation I didn't say anything to my wife. But the prompting came again, so I shared the feeling with her. She told me she too would like to have another child, but didn't think it was a wise decision right then, for several reason. During this time I was in business for myself and she worked there helping manage the phone calls. When I thought about both situations I agreed with her that this would not be the best time to have another child. For awhile I was at peace with this decision, but in time the same feeling came back to me, so I again shared this feeling with my wife, Teresa. This time she said that if I would assure her that it was coming from the Lord that she would support me in my decision.

When the time came for her to have the surgery, she was pregnant. However, when the doctor examined her again, he saw that there was no need to go through with the surgery. For some unexplained reason her back problem had gone away and so had her limp. Although there was no medical explanation for this, we knew that it was a blessing from the Lord. With a grateful heart, my wife and I vowed to stay close to the Lord by seeking His guidance and advise in all that we did concerning the new baby.

While my wife was pregnant with this new child, I had the wish that the Lord would tell me the name I should give him (we felt it was a boy). One day, while I was walking on the beach, a scripture came to my mind. It was Enos 1:6 which read, "And I Enos knew that God could not lie." Then I had the thought that it would be wonderful if my child could likewise have this same knowledge. No sooner did I have this thought when suddenly the Spirit came upon me and I understood that was an answer to my wish. I talked with my wife and we both agreed that this boy's name would be Enos.

The delivery was set for March 1985, but one month before then, on the first of February, while I was praying to the Lord at the beginning of the day, a voice came to my mind which said, "Watch out Massimo, your child is dying." I knew it was the voice of the Lord, but I didn't know what I should do. I thought about rushing my wife and child to the hospital, but I wasn't sure what to tell them when I got there. Although I was quite worried I couldn't see any way to act upon the knowledge I had been given. That very afternoon my wife's water broke. Up until this time, she was unaware of what I had experienced because I didn't want to scare her with this information.

I met her at home and gave her a blessing, then hurried to the hospital. Although we had had other children, this was the first time she asked to me to be present at the delivery. I didn't want to do that, because I didn't like to see my wife suffering, but I decided to go just to make her happy. We wanted to offer a prayer before the delivery began but because there was a nurse in the room with us we were reluctant to do so. However, without any prompting on our part, she suddenly said that she would be gone for a few minutes, but that we shouldn't worry because we still had plenty of time, perhaps even hours, before the baby was due to arrive.

When she left we prayed. My wife prayed that is would be possible for me to be present when the baby was delivered, and I prayed that she might have a fast and safe delivery. As soon as we finished the prayer my wife called out, " He's coming! He's ready to be born!" Within two seconds after that the baby came out and both of our prayers were immediately answered. I was there when she delivered, and she had a fast and safe delivery with no pain at all.

Since we were alone in the room I begun to scream  "I need help! I need help!" because I wasn't a doctor and didn't know what to do. Fortunately a doctor rushed in and took care of the situation. Then he said something I will never forget. He said, "This new guy is very lucky. Look! The umbilical cord went around his neck twice. You can see that his face is violet. If you had waited one day more and he would be dead." I had known that morning that it was the voice of the Lord who had warned me, but now I had the proof. Although I didn't know what to do with that knowledge at the time, now I realized that the Lord was telling me that He would take care of everything and gave me the reason for why the baby was born so prematurely.

At the beginning of 1991 I discovered that my business partner was trying to destroy me financially. When I realized this, I talked with my lawyer and came to the conclusion that instead us having a big legal fight in court, it would be much better if I sold my part of the company to larger firm. Although it was a complicated process, which I won't go into at this time, yet the Lord again took charge of the situation and in miraculous ways helped me find a very large company to whom I not only was able to sell my part of the business to within three weeks after meeting with my lawyer, but I also became General Manager in the same company. Because I relied upon the Lord for His help I was able to fix the problems my partner had created, and still kept my business without my partner's involvement.  

But that wasn't the end of things, because the Lord had other plans for me. Even though I didn't know it then, He was already preparing me to leave Italy and move to America. You would think that since I had my own business I would be happy, but just the opposite was true. I was so very sad because I was working hard all the time to build up my company, yet I tried to console myself by saying that was just the way life is. Then one day a thought came to my mind which said, "Why don't you go to the United.States of America and start a new life?" The feeling was so strong that I decided to share it with my family.

At our next Family Home Evening I told them my feeling and I asked everybody to express their opinion. After much discussion, we decide to fast and pray about it before we made any decision. I also talked with my Branch President, with my Quorum President, and with my home teachers to see what advise they would offer me. Strangely, the answers I received from them were all the same - that I should go to America. They also felt as though this prompting was coming from the Lord. What makes this so strange is that it has been my experience that usually the Church leaders strongly counsel the members to remain where they are and build up Zion in that part of the world.

One of my best friends at the time told me not to worry because he would help me. He said he had a friend in Los Angeles who would help me and my family. However, after two years I began to feel that he was not being honest with me. I told him I wanted to meet his friend, and he assured me that wouldn't be a problem. Trusting in his word, I went in Los Angeles, which cost me a lot money, and took all my vacation time to stay there fore three weeks, but nothing came of it. I never was able to meet the man I came to see.

When I came back from Los Angeles I told my wife that we didn't have a sponsor in America so there was no way for us to get there. She reminded me that we had prayed, fasted and done everything else  we could have done to know if this was what the Lord wanted us to do and the answer was always the same. I knew she was right, but I had done everything I could and hadn't had any success. If the Lord wanted us to live in America, He was going to be the one who opened the door because I had no idea how to do it.

At that time I lived in a building which had four apartments in it. Of those four families, one was a Catholic, one was a Protestant, one was a Jehovah's Witness, and I was a Mormon. The very next day after talking to my wife, a friend of mine who lived in the same building (the Protestant) told me that he felt sorry for my situation and said that he might be of some help He said he knew someone in Los Angeles who was a Bishop in my church. Furthermore, this man owned an Italian restaurant. My friend thought that perhaps this bishop could sponsor my wife as a cook. I offered him my thanks and said that I would try to contact the bishop, but I had very little hope that anything would come of it. For one reason, I was Italy and he was all the way across the United States in Los Angeles and I didn't know anything about him. Another reason was that my friend didn't really know this man very well himself. In fact, they hadn't even talked to one another for years.

Nevertheless, at one o'clock in the morning I made a call. When the man in Los Angeles answered the phone I explained who I was and why I was calling. As I talked he remained silent and when I finished he said, "What I can say? I don't know you." I told him he was completely right, but that was all right because I understood the position I was putting him in.  He remained silent for few more seconds and then said, "Well, I don't know why, but I will do what you ask. Besides, I do need an Italian cook" He next gave me the phone number of his lawyer and within two years we obtained a green card.

There are some who will say that these things happened just by chance. That is their right to believe as they like, but I know better. Twice I have had the wonderful opportunity of seeing God face to face and talked with Him in two dreams. And the conversations we had in those dreams happened exactly as He told me they would.

We not only have the testimony of many witnesses in the Bible concerning God, but there are also many other witnesses in this contemporary world who can bear similar testimony of God, and I am one of them. Someone might try to claim that my testimony is based on just my opinion, but that is simply not true. My belief is based on the reality of my life, on what I saw and experienced. I know that God lives and that He answers prayers, often in miraculous way. I may not be able to convince anyone of that, but God has certainly convinced me. All I can do is share that testimony of mine with others.

Hi Joyce,

Here's another entry from a friend of mine.  I hope he includes it on his
website, now that he has gone through the trouble of writing it.  Faith
promoting stories like these area great for the believer.  I doubt, however,
that the atheist will find them of much use, though it could touch one or
two here and there.

Sterling

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