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The Lord taught the wisdom in the planning with a  simple example, Luke 14:28-32

For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and
counteth the cost, whether he have [sufficient] to finish [it]?

29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish
[it], all that behold [it] begin to mock him,

30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down
first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that
cometh against him with twenty thousand?

32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage,
and desireth conditions of peace.

Being this an inspired and wise practice it is easy to think that the Lord
Himself acts using the same wisdom.

Scriptures like 1 Peter 1:18-20
Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as]
silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from
your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and
without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was
manifest in these last times for you,

Jeremiah 1:4-5
Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,

5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest
forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet
unto the nations.
Acts 17:26-27
And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face
of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds
of their habitation;
27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and
find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Deuteronomy 32:7-8
Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy
father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.

8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he
separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the
number of the children of Israel.
My personal opinion is the celestial meeting was the second step, not the
first one. Surely before gathering all the celestial hosts, God did His
Presidency meeting and surely, like those scriptures maintain, discussed,
weighted and pondered everything, and then He called the great meeting.
This is declared by the Bible Itself in Psalms 82:1
A Psalm of Asaph. God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth
among the gods.
The Bible starts in Genesis referring to God with the word
"Helohim". This word in Hebrew means "Gods". Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us.
Pretty clear isn't it?
It is true that after the fall the Bible starts to refer to God with the
word Jehowa, but this is why the Father had no more relationship, directly
to mankind. After the fall there was only ONE mediator between God the
Father and mankind- Jesus Christ. The word Joshua or Jesus means "Jehowa
saves". If you take a look at my talk "The Great Jehowa" you will have a
better idea.
Therefore we know that in this celestial meeting of the celestial Trinity,
not only was the plan approved but also all the callings, according to
the scriptures quoted. We have to keep in mind that preordination is very
different from predestination. Mankind could be preordinated but in life
could choose to accept or deny his calling, because he will not have any
memory of that. In this case the free agency is at his base. Predestination
excludes the free agency and mankind would be like a puppet in the celestial
hands. That was not the purpose of God.
What was foreseen as the celestial plan?
1) To organize a earth.
2) To provide tabernacles for the spirits.
3) A fall.
4) Free agency (this is the only ingredient able to make the others grow.
Without it, the atonement would be useless, there was no need in the plan of
Satan. Mankind couldn't sin!!!!).
5) The Gospel and its ordinances.
6) Atonement.
7) Resurrection.
8) Millennium.
9) Judgment.

Let's analyze these points deeply.
After the great celestial conference the works started. Job 38:4-12;
"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou
hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? Or who hath stretched
the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner
stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for

8 Or [who] shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, [as if] it had
issued out of the womb?

9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a
swaddlingband for it,

10 And brake up for it my decreed [place], and set bars and doors,

11 And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy
proud waves be stayed?

12 ¶ Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; [and] caused the
dayspring to know his place."

After this the man and the woman were formed. At this point there was the
problem of the fall. I call this a "problem" because it could not be forced,
it needed to come up spontaneously. "And there, we will allow Lucifer, our
common enemy, to tempt them." Lucifer was not invited, what he did was by
his spontaneous will. He did it because he believed that by doing so he
destroy God's plan. Unfortunately for him, he didn't know God's plan.
So, what he did was something tha God knew that he would do. God
knows the end from the beginning. When Adam was driven out the garden, God
put an angel to protect the tree of life. If He wanted to make sure that
Satan had no choice he could have put an angel to protect the tree of
knowledge. He didn't because the fall was foreseen, in fact "as of a lamb
without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world".

These two events were programmed (fall and Atonement) that they should come
up spontaneously, not forced. Neither event was forced by Satan, he was just
lying to two
people not having the knowledge of good and evil. He misled them, or
misled Eve according to 1 Timothy 2:14;
"And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the
Satan did the same with the atonement. He purged the scriptures referring to
the atonement to mislead the Hebrews. A Messiah foreseen by the same blood's
sacrifices, not only in the Law, but from the very beginning. Anyway,
regarding this topic I will write more later on. I want only to add one
clue. If Jesus was accepted as Savior, would he have been put to death?
Think about this because Jesus was supposed to be killed to be sacrificed
like a lamb. Anyway, God didn't permit all the verses erased regarding the
Savior as a Lamb of God, because he needed at least 2 or 3 witnesses and we
have these references in the Bible. The fact remains that Jesus should not
be acknowledged as the Lamb of God by the Jews, and He would be sacrificed like
a Lamb, otherwise the plan wouldn't have been fulfilled.
The free agency shouldn't be touched, mankind should have the same
opportunity to accept or reject the Savior. Even though God knows the end
from the beginning He has to act like He doesn't', so He knew
man would have fallen. He planned an alternative, but when the fall
happened there was no more alternative to solve the problem. We know that
Joseph Smith was called to be a prophet for the restoration and surely God
knew that he would have accomplished his task. Anyway we know that for any
reason Joseph had missed his calling the Lord would have raised somebody
else. D&A 3:1-9
1 THE works, and the designs, and the purposes of God cannot be frustrated,
neither can they come to naught.
2 For God doth not walk in crooked paths, neither doth he turn to the right
hand nor to the left, neither doth he vary from that which he hath said,
therefore his paths are straight, and his course is one eternal round.
3 Remember, remember that it is not the work of God that is frustrated, but
the work of men;
4 For although a man may have many revelations, and have power to do many
mighty works, yet if he boasts in his own strength, and sets at naught the
counsels of God, and follows after the dictates of his own will and carnal
desires, he must fall and incur the vengeance of a just God upon him.
5 Behold, you have been entrusted with these things, but how strict were
your commandments; and remember also the promises which were made to you, if
you did not transgress them.
6 And behold, how oft you have transgressed the commandments and the laws of
God, and have gone on in the persuasions of men.
7 For, behold, you should not have feared man more than God. Although men
set at naught the counsels of God, and despise his words--
8 Yet you should have been faithful; and he would have extended his arm and
supported you against all the fiery darts of the adversary; and he would
have been with you in every time of trouble.
9 Behold, thou art Joseph, and thou wast chosen to do the work of the Lord,
but because of transgression, if thou art not aware thou wilt fall.

This was not the case with Jesus, His name was the only one given
under the heavens to mankind to be rescued. When Jesus in Getsemany was
asking to remove the cup from Him, an angel came from the presence of God to
remind Him of his duty, his calling, like a lamb of God. Jesus could refuse to
go ahead but at that point mankind would have been unsaved.
2 Nephi 9:7-12
"Wherefore, it must needs be an infinite atonement--save it should be an
infinite atonement this corruption could not put on incorruption. Wherefore,
the first judgment which came upon man must needs have remained to an
endless duration. And if so, this flesh must have laid down to rot and to
crumble to its mother earth, to rise no more.
8 O the wisdom of God, his mercy and grace! For behold, if the flesh should
rise no more our spirits must become subject to that angel who fell from
before the presence of the Eternal God, and became the devil, to rise no
9 And our spirits must have become like unto him, and we become devils,
angels to a devil, to be shut out from the presence of our God, and to
remain with the father of lies, in misery, like unto himself; yea, to that
being who beguiled our first parents, who transformeth himself nigh unto an
angel of light, and stirreth up the children of men unto secret combinations
of murder and all manner of secret works of darkness.
10 O how great the goodness of our God, who prepareth a way for our escape
from the grasp of this awful monster; yea, that monster, death and hell,
which I call the death of the body, and also the death of the spirit.
11 And because of the way of deliverance of our God, the Holy One of Israel,
this death, of which I have spoken, which is the temporal, shall deliver up
its dead; which death is the grave.
12 And this death of which I have spoken, which is the spiritual death,
shall deliver up its dead; which spiritual death is hell; wherefore, death
and hell must deliver up their dead, and hell must deliver up its captive
spirits, and the grave must deliver up its captive bodies, and the bodies
and the spirits of men will be restored one to the other; and it is by the
power of the resurrection of the Holy One of Israel."
Mosiah 15:8
"And thus God breaketh the bands of death, having gained the victory over
death; giving the Son power to make intercession for the children of men--
Mosiah 16:8
But there is a resurrection, therefore the grave hath no victory, and the
sting of death is swallowed up in Christ."

The divine plan was and it is based in trying to save everybody, or at least
to give them all the opportunities, no one excluded. It is not possible to
think that God had a plan only for special people, or chosen people.
At this point I'd like to remark that everything was centered on the free
agency. It is clear that all the points of the plan are essential, but we
should consider that the free agency was involved in the fall, it is
involved in the Gospel, accepting it is free will, refusing it is free will.
Even the atonement was based on the free will of Jesus Himself. He
decide to do it, he was not forced.
John 10:17-18
"Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might
take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to
lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I
received of my Father."

The other points were programmed to bring us safely to the target. We will
see this later, discussing the other points on how accurate and lovely was the
plan appointed for each one of us. In the celestial meeting the plan was
explained, discussed and the callings made. We know for sure that something
was kept in reserve because even though He knew the end from the beginning,
revealing this to us would have been to influence our free agency.
So when he presented His plan He should talk like He didn't know the end.
Consider this:" If the man will surrender to the temptation we will provide
a Savior for him" This implies another choice, just in case. We don't' know
what was the alternative, but it was foreseen, like for Joseph Smith and I
am sure for everybody else but Jesus. We are necessary , He was
indispensable. So before the fall there were unknown alternatives. When
the fall came there were no more, just one choice:"Jesus the Christ!" or
"atonement" Alma 22:14
And since man had fallen he could not merit anything of himself; but the
sufferings and death of Christ atone for their sins, through faith and
repentance, and so forth.
"And that he breaketh the bands of death, that the
grave shall have no victory, and that the sting of death should be swallowed
up in the hopes of glory; and Aaron did expound all these things unto the
Alma 34:9-10
For it is expedient that an atonement should be made; for according to the
great plan of the Eternal God there must be an atonement made, or else all
mankind must unavoidably perish; yea, all are hardened; yea, all are fallen
and are lost, and must perish except it be through the atonement which it is
expedient should be made.
10 For it is expedient that there should be a great and last sacrifice; yea,
not a sacrifice of man, neither of beast, neither of any manner of fowl; for
it shall not be a human sacrifice; but it must be an infinite and eternal

Mosaih 3:17
And moreover, I say unto you, that there shall be no other name given nor
any other way nor means whereby salvation can come unto the children of men,
only in and through the name of Christ, the Lord Omnipotent.
Acts 4:12
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under
heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
Lucifer exercised his right to oppose the plan, he had that right by his
personal free agency. There was nothing wrong in that, God listened to his
words carefully. His big mistake was not in proposing his plan, he could do
that.His mistake was that he wanted to IMPOSE his plan, and also claim
the part of Jesus to be the son of the Father on earth.
Moses 4:1-3
"AND I, the Lord God, spake unto Moses, saying: That Satan, whom thou hast
commanded in the name of mine Only Begotten, is the same which was from the
beginning, and he came before me, saying--Behold, here am I, send me, I will
be thy son, and I will redeem all mankind, that one soul shall not be lost,
and surely I will do it; wherefore give me thine honor.
2 But, behold, my Beloved Son, which was my Beloved and Chosen from the
beginning, said unto me--Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine
3 Wherefore, because that Satan rebelled against me, and sought to destroy
the agency of man, which I, the Lord God, had given him, and also, that I
should give unto him mine own power; by the power of mine Only Begotten, I
caused that he should be cast down;"

In the church or family of God everything is done by vote. The plan of God
was discussed, also Lucifer's plan was discussed as Moses 4:1-3 shows,
and verse 4 is clear.

"And he became Satan, yea, even the devil, the father of all lies, to
and to blind men, and to lead them captive at his will, even as many as
would not hearken unto my voice."
His name was changed. Verse one shows that he proposed his plan. Surely
Lucifer believed in his plan. He thought it was genius and innovative,
surely he was proud of it. The Father listened to Him carefully. The great
Jehowa in verse two, instead of fighting the new proposal, because it was
his calling, was humble and said:"Father, thy
will be done, and the glory be thine forever." In other words:"Father if you
feel to change your plan I have no problem" A perfect example of Love,
submission an humility. The real problem arose when God the Father explained
to Lucifer that his plan had no future. As we saw before, the free
agency was the focal point of the whole plan. God could create the earth, the
tabernacles for the spirits and everything else. But a robot, a machine has
no heart nor brain, nor feelings, no passions. Also, one of
these purposes was Abraham 3:25;
"And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things
whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them;"
So at this point He was saying to his rebellious son: It won't work for
these specific reasons. If Lucifer was humble surely everything was closed
at that point, instead at that point he rebelled and was trying to make
allies, and he had a third of the spirits with him. This was the beginning
of the war in heaven that he lost. He became Satan from the beginning.
It was a sad moment for everybody. When a son becomes
an adult he has the right to make his own choices, and he made his.
Surely our sons on earth will pay the consequences or will be rewarded
if they will make the right choices, and it was the same for Satan. God
force anybody to take the right path. At that point God knew that his
spiritual sons were ready, or adult, to make their own decisions. He had
awaited millenniums for this event and now the time was ripe. Surely God
knew that not everybody would have accepted his plan, but it is the same for
us here, he knew that not everybody will obtain the big prize, to go into the
celestial kingdom, but this is usual when you go to school. Not everybody
could be the best scholar. But let me show an exception. In life to win
you have to be FIRST, so only one will win. In this particular game it is
not important to be first, it is important to arrive. Sure to arrive is
not easy, but possible. You are in school to be Gods one day, to think
that it should be easy is not smart.Anyway, turning back to the fall of
Lucifer, God was going to use him and his followers to prove mankind. The
big question could be:"If Lucifer didn't rebel who would have played this
part? Probably like in the case of the fall of mankind there was another
possibility, surely Satan was not forced or chosen to be Satan. It is not
necessary for us to know for a simple reason: to know it would be
to satisfy a frivolous curiosity, because it will not change our the
picture. We have to stay focused on the future more than our past, knowing
that this thing is not related to helping our salvation but just our curiosity. What we
need to know is what is important for our personal salvation, not a futile curiosity.
The Gospel or "Good News"
According to our church the Gospel was preached from the very beginning( see
my article
"Gospel" What is this "good news"?). In simple words:"The manual of
instructions" for mankind to go back in the presence of the Lord, or in
other words to become like our Father. In the presence of the Lord nothing
impure can't stand like D&A declares, and the Bible also. Being mortal
mankind becomed carnal, sensual and devilis. The Gospel by the ordinances
and the power of God (priesthood) teaches us the way to become pure through
the Atonement of Jesus. This is the meaning of "to wash our robe in his
The word "wash" is an action that we are supposed to perform, those are the
ordinances of the Gospel connected with its teaching. The atonement is the
way we need to go and without it there is no salvation, and if you
don't wash your robe in it you are not doing your part. The Gospel is not
only a way of life, the Gospel possess all the keys and power to gain this
purpose. Our God is a God of miracles. So God gave to mankind all the means
useful to obtain this purpose but we have to keep in mind another thing. God
gave this Gospel only to people that made covenants with him, never has he
this sacred plan to everybody else, it have been like giving pearls to
pigs. This plan is for everybody that is willing to serve him and to receive His
reward. For this reason God always mentions His servants in the scriptures, that
they are the people appointed to carry on the Gospel. God always gave ordinances
connected with its meaning, such as the sacrifices of Adam, Abel and so on.

We know that there were specific ordinances for the
tabernacle in the desert and for the Temple. In consequence, since God is a
God of order, He provided chosen people to be ordained to the priesthood.
Keep in mind that every person willing to serve God could have this power,
but they have to make a covenant with Him.You can't have the power of God
just because you want it. You have to deserve it, to promise to
keep it sacred and above all you have to use it only when it is absolutely
necessary, not just for fun. For these reasons only specific people obtain
the priesthood, even though everybody could have it, not everybody has
received it.
Hebrews 5:4
"And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as
[was] Aaron."
So at this point we have seen that the Gospel is not only good
news but a lot more. The Gospel is the complete means by which mankind could
receive all the powers, keys and blessings to go back in God's presence
through the Atonement. It is true that the Atonement is for all people, in
fact all mankind will be resurrected in that great last day by grace. To
clarify this point I suggest you read "Resurrection", "Faith and Works"
and "What is the grace?". To gain exaltation, or to obtain
our complete maturity in God, mankind has to perform works that are
requested by the Gospel. Mankind has to make alliances
that God requires such as baptism,and to make these
alliances is necessary.
It is clear that God wants to try to save everybody, He proclaims
Himself a merciful God. The atonement of Jesus is the perfect proof of it.
John 3:16
"For God so loved the WORLD, that he gave his only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

I have highlighted the word "world", because usually this word is referring
to whole mankind. Surely you will ask: Why he is pointing out this?"
of people died without the knowledge of the Gospel, not only after the
coming of Jesus, but specially before his first coming. What I am trying
to point out is the fact that the plan of God is perfect and He is
merciful and compassionate, surely he would have take care of this
problem, otherwise those people had not the same opportunity.
1 Peter 3:18-19
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that
he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by
the Spirit:

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
Why before to go in the Father's kingdom He went there?
1 Peter 4:6
For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that
they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to
God in the spirit.

To give to the people what they didn't have an opportunity in life to hear,
the true Gospel. The same opportunity that the more fortunate had. Surely
they will be judged by the works done in life, but God will keep in mind
a specific fact that Paul explained in Romans 2:6
Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Romans 2:9-16
Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew
first, and also of the Gentile;

10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew
first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and
as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

13 For not the hearers of the law [are] just before God, but the doers of
the law shall be justified.

14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things
contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience
also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else
excusing one another;)

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ
according to my gospel.

There is no doubt in Paul's words. The same principle is valid for the
people who died after the first coming of Jesus.The key words of these
are"but live according to God in the spirit " This means that the covenant
that Jesus made with them was that "They would be judged for their works,
according to their knowledge in the life, but from that moment on they
should live in spirit according to the knowledge received". Is this not
merciful, right and plausible?
What kind of Gospel could Jesus have taught to the dead? Surely the same
that He taught to mankind on earth. Same principles, same doctrines, and
above all SAME ORDINANCES. It is plausible to think that "Jesus answered and
said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again,
he cannot see the kingdom of God.

4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he
enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of
water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.( John
The same principle and ordinance is applicable in the spiritual world
1 Corinthisans 15:29
Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise
not at all? Why are they then baptized for the dead?
If this was not the case, Jesus would have done something and above all
something different and he would have not given the same opportunity to
everybody, luckily the quoted scriptures make clear that it was not the
case. Jesus gave the same ordinances, the same teaching even in the
spiritual world and we have the scriptures teaching that, clearly. If the
dead didn't need the baptism, why would He have preached His Gospel there?
On the earth he set an example asking to be baptized to do the will of His
Father, He asked to everybody to accept it and above all before to leave
earth he said again to make sure that the principle was still in force:"Go
ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the
Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
(Matthew 28:19-20)
When He introduced the Gospel on earth it was to give to the people the
possibility to repent and to try to convert to His Gospel, so it is
perfectly plausible that the same principle was applicable in the spiritual
world. It is true that whosoever doesn't know the law is not under the law,
but for this specific reason Jesus went there to make everything even.
From that point on missionary work was
performed. He opened that door.
Isaiah 61:1
THE Spirit of the Lord GOD [is] upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me
to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the
brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the OPENING of the
prison to [them that are] bound;
He proclaimed this teaching from the very beginning, it was His first
declaration when he was announcing His Messianship. If Jesus
taught doctrines and gave sacraments like the baptism, is not this the
Gospel? So when Peter wrote:"For for this cause was the gospel preached ALSO
to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the
flesh, but live according to God in the spirit." The word "also" gives us a
comparison of parity, or the English language is becoming very strange even
for an Italian like me. It is clear anyway that the kids and the people
without intelligence (unlucky people) for any reason will be saved by the
atonement and this is perfectly scriptural, because the baptism implies
conversion, and conversion means understanding. Without understanding there
be penalty, because the principle of the free agency is based on the
knowledge of good and evil. If there is not the knowledge of the good and
evil mankind is STILL in the presence of God, BECAUSE he has the same
innocence that Adam and Eve had before the fall, or not? This is why
the little kids and the people without intellect are saved by the atonement
because they are pure.
Moroni 8:8-22
Listen to the words of Christ, your Redeemer, your Lord and your God.
Behold, I came into the world not to call the righteous but sinners to
repentance; the whole need no physician, but they that are sick; wherefore,
little children are whole, for they are not capable of committing sin;
wherefore the curse of Adam is taken from them in me, that it hath no power
over them; and the law of circumcision is done away in me.

9 And after this manner did the Holy Ghost manifest the word of God unto me;
wherefore, my beloved son, I know that it is solemn mockery before God, that
ye should baptize little children.
10 Behold I say unto you that this thing shall ye teach--repentance and
baptism unto those who are accountable and capable of committing sin; yea,
teach parents that they must repent and be baptized, and humble themselves
as their little children, and they shall all be saved with their little
11 And their little children need no repentance, neither baptism. Behold,
baptism is unto repentance to the fulfilling the commandments unto the
remission of sins.
But little children are alive in Christ, even from the foundation of the
world; if not so, God is a partial God, and also a changeable God, and a
respecter to persons; for how many little children have died without

13 Wherefore, if little children could not be saved without baptism, these
must have gone to an endless hell.

14 Behold I say unto you, that he that supposeth that little children need
baptism is in the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity, for he
hath neither faith, hope, nor charity; wherefore, should he be cut off while
in the thought, he must go down to hell.

15 For awful is the wickedness to suppose that God saveth one child because
of baptism, and the other must perish because he hath no baptism.

16 Wo be unto them that shall pervert the ways of the Lord after this
manner, for they shall perish except they repent. Behold, I speak with
boldness, having authority from God; and I fear not what man can do; for
perfect love casteth out all fear.

17 And I am filled with charity, which is everlasting love; wherefore, all
children are alike unto me; wherefore, I love little children with a perfect
love; and they are all alike and partakers of salvation.

18 For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but
he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity.

19 Little children cannot repent; wherefore, it is awful wickedness to deny
the pure mercies of God unto them, for they are all alive in him because of
his mercy.
And he that saith that little children need baptism denieth the mercies of
Christ, and setteth at naught the atonement of him and the power of his

21 Wo unto such, for they are in danger of death, hell, and an endless
torment. I speak it boldly; God hath commanded me. Listen unto them and give
heed, or they stand against you at the judgment-seat of Christ.

22 For behold that all little children are alive in Christ, and also all
they that are without the law. For the power of redemption cometh on all
them that have no law; wherefore, he that is not condemned, or he that is
under no condemnation, cannot repent; and unto such baptism availeth
The fallen required justice, atonement wins justice by mercy. A perfect
justice should be always balanced from a perfect mercy, because in God
these two qualities are at the maximum expression and they are perfect in
balancing each other. He loves to define Himself a God merciful and right.
Baptism for the dead is defined in Doctrine and Covenants the topic "most
glorious of all"
D&a 128:17
And again, in connection with this quotation I will give you a quotation
from one of the prophets, who had his eye fixed on the restoration of the
priesthood, the glories to be revealed in the last days, and in an especial
manner this most glorious of all subjects belonging to the everlasting
gospel, namely, the baptism for the dead.
Because it is the maximum expression of the divine mercy. When God launched
His plan, He foresaw the possibility for each one of us to have the same
opportunity, and because He was conscious that during the earthly life this
was not possible, He foresaw the possibility that this void was filled in
another way. It is clear that this is not a second opportunity,
because this would imply a first one, and this is not the case that we are
discussing here. Remain the fact the people will be judged according to
their works, performed in life, according to their knowledge. God knows
better than everybody else the desires of their heart, in good or evil. He
will judge according to His Knowledge, nobody will have an unfair judgment,
everybody will pay or will be rewarded according to the perfect judgment of
God. If you believe in God you don't have to fear to be judged in an unfair
I will not comment here the ordinances and the priesthood, because I will
later on other talks.
Atonement or Great checkmate
It is very hard to find the right words to express the feelings related to
this monumental masterpiece in the God's plan. I don't want to repeat the
same concepts already explained from somebody else. Not because they were
wrong, absolutely not, I'd say they were perfect, each one of the comments I
read on this topic was absolutely right. I want just to add something
personal that surely it will be conformable with the other points. I
personally don't believe that the courage that Jesus had in performing His
atonement was in giving His life. Many times I was wondering that many other
people gave their life for their opinion, or for his country, or for his
party, or to save a life. There should be a lot more to make
Jesus above all of these great people. According to my opinion the atonement
was a lot more than giving His personal life. Jesus had a perfect knowledge
about the kingdom of God, a perfect knowledge of the resurrection. Paul
didn't fear to die for Christ having this knowledge. Remember Paul was at
the third heaven, he saw and he knew things that surely put him above
the fear. But you will say that Jesus had fear and he asked the father to
remove the cup. You are right you are totally right. But what was His real
fear? To die? I don't think so! The physical suffering even couldn't
be his real fear. Our church teaches that the real atonement was not on the
cross, but in Getsemany. In my opinion Jesus faced the cross evenly, there
was no fear in Him going to the cross. In the Getsemany, instead, we can
touch his fear, His desire. When He said Luke 22:42 "Father, if thou be
willing, remove this cup from me" He really meant that. An angel came down
from Heaven, nobody came when He was on the cross, because he needed in that
particular moment. Unfortunately for Him, there was no other choice, and
above all there was no other man appointed to do that. Why was he so
terrified? We can't understand it, because it is something that we can't
feel, but we can listen to His personal words regarding this topic. He, a
perfect man, perfect in rightousness, should take on His shoulders all the
infamity committed from the whole mankind. This was His real fear!!! Not
the pain on the cross. There are many martyrs in all the ages, but nobody
can stand near Christ. His pain was not physical, or at least not only
physical, but of a terrible brutality , especially under the spiritual
appearance. D&A 19:15-19
Therefore I command you to repent--repent, lest I smite you by the rod of my
mouth, and by my wrath, and by my anger, and your sufferings be sore--how
sore you know not, how exquisite you know not, yea, how hard to bear you
know not.

16 For behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might
not suffer if they would repent;

17 But if they would not repent they must suffer even as I;

18 Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble
because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and
spirit--and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink--

19 Nevertheless, glory be to the Father, and I partook and finished my
preparations unto the children of men.

For this topic I suggest you to read my article.
What will be the purpose of the Millennium?
This will be a period of time, necessary to fulfill the great divine plan.
God was aware that during the earthly life not everybody would have had the
same opportunity, in good or evil, so to make sure that everyone would have
possibilities in every case, He gave us the millennium.One of the main
reasons is to do all the ordinances for the people who lived before and
the first coming of Jesus. These are billions and it will take the whole
millennium to perform them. Without the help of the Lord it would have been
impossible to perform this task, we don't have the records with their names,
but the Lord has His book of the Life. We know that little children died
during their childhood and the people without intellect will partecipate to
the first resurreection by the atonement of Jesus. Who didn't know the law
was not under the law and so they will have during the millenium to have the
opportunity to be taught from the Lord Himself. Anyway this wonderful
opportunity wouldn't be fair because it will be too easy to accept and
practice the Gospel under these circumstances. The Lord present and Satan
tied! It is clear that the millenium will be full of peace, where it will be
ALMOST impossible to sin. Isaiah refers to it in this way
There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath
not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the
sinner [being] an hundred years old shall be accursed.

21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit [them]; and they shall plant
vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.

22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and
another eat: for as the days of a tree [are] the days of my people, and mine
elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they
[are] the seed of the blessed of the LORD, and their offspring with them.

24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and
while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
Therefore the people will live under the best circunstances and these
wouldn't be fair for the people that should endure the presence of Satan and
his temptations during the normal life. God is fair in giving the same
opportunity in good and bad and this is the reason why Satan will be untied
at the end of the millennium.
Revelation 20:7-10
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of
the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of
whom [is] as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of
the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of
heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and
brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be
tormented day and night for ever and ever.
At this point everybody will be ready for a judgment.
The Judgement.
How will it happen? Let's analyze the word: "Sentence, idea,
to give a value to something or somebody" If the Judgment will be by
there will be no judgement! Grace is something that is given after a
guilty's judgement. Let's analyze if the scriptures speak about this word.
We know that Paul was talking about this topic
while he was referring to the resurrection. Are there references, regarding
this word, talking about the judgement ? Or do we have this reference only
talking about resurrection? This is a good question because Peter the chief
of the Apostles warned the believers against some misunderstood teachings of
Paul, that it could have lead in perdition. This is clear proof that in
Paul's writings there is some danger if misunderstood.
2 Peter 3:15-16
And account [that] the longsuffering of our Lord [is] salvation; even as our
beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath
written unto you;

16 As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which
are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and
unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own
Think about grace, if works are required from the Lord and you rest on this
misunderstood doctrine, you will likely be in big trouble before the Lord.
He could say :"Please show me one scripture regarding the judgement, in
which this word is connected, related or even mentioned!"
Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom
of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in
thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many
wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye
that work iniquity.
In that day it is clearly referreing to the judgement's day and these people
Matthew 25:31-41
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with
him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them
one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of
my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me
drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison,
and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an
hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you,
Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye
have done [it] unto me.
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye
cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Here it is still speaking about the Judgement and even here are the
believers that will be divided and what will be the problem? Works!!!!!!
Keep in mind that these are Jesus' teachings, The Master, The Savior, the
Holy one, not just an apostle, and what is the declared and specific topic?
Judgement. Where is mentioned the word grace? I couldn't find it. We have
to keep in mind that at this point the RESURRECTION was alrerady fulfilled,
for the good one and for the bad ones. For a better understanding of this
point i suggest you to read : "What is the grace?" "Resurrection" and "Faith
and works"
The grace was already given because it was related to the
resurrection. At the second coming of the Lord something gloriuos
happened:"every knee was knelt and every tongue confessed Jesus the Christ
and that fulfilled the request to confess Jesus the Savior. At that point
who could deny the evidence that Jesus was the Savior? Nobody! So, as
every man died because of Adam every man will be resurrect by the grace of
God. As every person should die for the transgression in the garden, and
none of us was guilty for that, so it was right for the same principle
that one mediator or Savior could do the same for every person. This is
clearly explained from Paul in his unfortunate letter, I say unfortunate
for a simple reason: it was misunderstood ! But it is clear,so let's go
read it again.
Romans 5:12-21
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and
so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when
there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had
not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure
of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also [is] the free gift. For if through the
offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by
grace, [which is] by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as [it was] by one that sinned, [so is] the gift: for the
judgment [was] by one to condemnation, but the free gift [is] of many
offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which
receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in
life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one [judgment came] upon all men to
condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one [the free gift came] upon
all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the
obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin
abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through
righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Paul is clearly talking about resurrection, not ABOUT JUDGEMENT, and if
you take a closer look at the verse 21 it is stated: "might grace
reign through righteousness unto eternal life". To obtain the eternal
life you have to go through righteousness. After all of this let us go
ahead in discussing a few more scriptures in which God Himself is talking
about justice and judgment.
Malachi 3:14-18
Ye have said, It [is] vain to serve God: and what profit [is it] that we
have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before the LORD
of hosts?

15 And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set
up; yea, [they that] tempt God are even delivered.

16 Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD
hearkened, and heard [it], and a book of remembrance was written before him
for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name.

17 And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make
up my jewels; and I will spare them, as a man spareth his own son that
serveth him.
18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked,
between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

At this point everithing discussed and planned in the great council will be
fulfilled. Nobody will have reason to complain.
Everibody will have had the same opportunity and above all everibody will be
rewarded according to his works. And after this?
Revelation 21:1-5
AND I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first
earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of
heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of
God [is] with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his
people, and God himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.

4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no
more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more
pain: for the former things are passed away.

5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And
he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

A new heaven and a new earth shows that mankind will be again in the
presence of God.
Revelation 21 :22-27
And the twelve gates [were] twelve pearls; every several gate was of one
pearl: and the street of the city [was] pure gold, as it were transparent

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are
the temple of it.

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it:
for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the light thereof.

24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it:
and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.

25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be
no night there.

26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.

27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither
[whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie: but they which are
written in the Lamb's book of life.

D&A specifies any thing that defileth can't enter there and nobody who
worketh abomination, or [maketh] a lie. Once more I ask my
question:"where is the word "grace" connected or related here?"
This word is absolutely absent in this context.
Revelation 22:3-5
And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb
shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:

4 And they shall see his face; and his name [shall be] in their foreheads.

5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light
of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for
ever and ever.
Many people are stupified when we proclaim that mankind will be again in the
presence of God but here it is the proof in the Bible. And they shall see
His Face!

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